>> that, i think, clearly would be confidential. >> what i am asking about is if you send an e-mail to a ethics commission saying can we talk at 2:00 >> is that in the file? >> no, you are not going to see can we talk at 2:00 >> you will see the result of that conversation. >> we met at... and we discussed. because it is a form of record keeping or an interview record, if you will, a discussion record. >> one thing that i would like to say, from an audit investigation perspective, were very procedural, we have... we are very method cal in documenting our conversations, what we are discussing, time of meetings, both, because i don't want you to think that i am trying to evade what you are asking me.